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Post by accumbens on Sept 5, 2008 15:35:25 GMT -5
the sad part you guys are missing is that all of the above comments are considered rude, judgmental, and misogynistic by the majority of Americans. the same majority that will elect this train wreck because they are more "real" than the intellectual elitist Obama/Biden ticket.
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Post by kentuckykimmie on Sept 6, 2008 7:53:14 GMT -5
I just hope that if McCain gets elected with Grandmoomare at his side, that he doesn't allow The Oval Office to be turned into a breastpumping room with a changing table, playpen, and toys scattered all about. As old and crotchety as he already is, he could trip over a Tonka truck and break a hip.
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Post by accumbens on Sept 7, 2008 20:15:44 GMT -5
Eight years of McCain/Palin will guarantee the overturning of Roe vs. Wade. Which is fine for us, since we live in California, a state that would probably continue to provide reproductive rights. Hopefully, Planned Parenthood will sponsor flights for people to be transported to blue states for abortions. I'm more worried about them going after birth control pills next. These could be banned at the federal level with no recourse for states' rights.
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Post by midoria on Sept 7, 2008 20:52:49 GMT -5
^^^ I was JUST saying that in the abortion thread.
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pc1965
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Post by pc1965 on Sept 10, 2008 17:32:48 GMT -5
the sad part you guys are missing is that all of the above comments are considered rude, judgmental, and misogynistic by the majority of Americans. the same majority that will elect this train wreck because they are more "real" than the intellectual elitist Obama/Biden ticket. I think the last part of this segment addresses that observation nicely: www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/30/51153/8546/790/579919 |
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Post by noregrets78 on Sept 11, 2008 14:01:04 GMT -5
You know what's sad? I'm willing to bet most of the country is like that.
Unfortunately, we see a very good concentration of intelligent empowered women on this site, but it doesn't necessarily reflect the rest of the country. The ladies here I'm sorry to say are in the minority. Wish more of the country's women were like our forum population. If they were, this crazy twit wouldn't have a prayer.
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Post by juliepoo15 on Sept 12, 2008 11:51:04 GMT -5
Here's a beautiful article from a magazine that sums things up nicely... Well, it's kinda long. Maybe "sums" isn't such a good word here. Anyway, skim through it.
"By Cintra Wilson. Originally appeared in Salon magazine on Sept. 10, 2008.
I confess, it was pretty riveting when John McCain trotted out
Sarah Palin for the first time. Like many people, I thought, “Damn, a
hyperconservative, fuckable, Type A, antiabortion, Christian Stepford
wife in a ’sexy librarian’ costume — as a vice president? That’s a
brilliant stroke of horrifyingly cynical pandering to the Christian
right. Karl Rove must be behind it.”
Palin may have been a boost of political Viagra for the limp,
bloodless GOP (and according to an ABC/Washington Post poll she has
created a boost in McCain’s standing among white women to a 53 over
Obama’s 41). But ideologically, she is their hardcore pornographic
centerfold spread, revealing the ugliest underside of Republican
ambitions — their insanely zealous and cynical drive to win power by
any means necessary, even at the cost of actual leadership.
Sarah Palin is a bit comical, like one of those cutthroat
Texas cheerleader stage moms. What her Down syndrome baby and pregnant
teenage daughter unequivocally prove, however, is that her most beloved
child is the antiabortion platform that ensures her own political
ambitions with the conservative right. The throat she’s so hot to cut
is that of all American women.
I don’t want Sarah Palin being the representative leader and
custodian of my rights, my Constitution and my country any more than I
want polygamist compound leader Warren Jeffs baby-sitting for my
preteen goddaughters.
As a woman who does not believe what Palin believes, the
thought of such an opportunistic anti-female in the White House — in
the Cheney chair, no less — is akin to ideological brain rape. What
this Republican blowup doll does with her own insides in accord with
her own faith is her business. But, like the worst and most terrifying
of religious extremists, she seems very comfortable with the idea of
imposing her own views on everyone else.
I did not think that women being downgraded to second-class,
three-holed chattel would be a pressing concern in my lifetime. I
thought it was like polio, or witch burning — an inhumane error that
had already been corrected. But after eight years of Republican
hegemony, and now the potential ascendance of this sheep in ewe’s
clothing, I am so mortally offended I feel like it is really time for
women to be angry, hardcore and disgusted again. Not just with old
white Christian patriarchs and their hopelessly calcified, religiously
condoned misogyny, but also with the self-abnegating, submissive female
Uncle Tommies whose ambitions and eagerness to please the powerful
males of their tribe are so desperate that they would sell out their
sovereignty over their own bodies. And yours too.
Republicans have — in a P.T. Barnum, sucker-born-every-minute
kind of way — successfully framed themselves as the custodians of
Christian ethics and conservative family values. This stance
successfully masks their wholesale class war against the majority of
their supporters, who continue to vote blatantly against their own
economic interests in thrall to this deliberate emotional manipulation.
It was the media critic Douglas Rushkoff who pointed out, several years
ago, that Republican politicians were employing marketing techniques
perfected by Clotaire Rapaille. Rapaille, broadly paraphrased,
introduced a theory that approximately 80 percent of all decision
making is done at the level of the limbic system — our lowest, most
colorless, reptilian emotional level. Republican strategies are
consistent with a belief that the voting process, for most people, is
full of feelings — but devoid of reason.
Sarah Palin, in this light, makes so little sense that she
makes perfect sense. She speciously represents a new power paradigm of
the Nice Mommy: the opposite of Hillary (the Mean Mommy), the opposite
of Oprah (black, and therefore foreign), the opposite of Martha Stewart
(another Mean Mommy). In her support for women on women’s issues, she
has done everything but volunteer for her own circumcision. She tacitly
promises a roll backward into old-fashioned sexual roles — like Old
Testament-style old. Her morality is fixed, predictable and inflexible.
There are those who will find comfort in the fact that they will know
exactly what can be expected from Palin: Free will subordinated to
obedience of an airtight, evangelical interpretation of the demands of
God, country and Republican men.
The choice of Palin represents what the Christian right is
really saying to the women of America. The subtext: It’s a Faustian
bargain, girls. To elevate your sex to power and respectability, you
must first give us the keys to your chastity belt.
It is unsurprising that the morally compromised fraternity of
corruption-infested Republican robber barons and war profiteers came up
with this stunt, but we must regard it in the same light as the rest of
their treasonous, criminal behavior. We must regard Sarah Palin as the
Carmella Soprano of the GOP — an enabling wife of organized crime, who
sees, hears and speaks no evil of the boys in her old-boy network for
whom she does this ideological lap dance.
It is a kind of eerie coincidence that Sarah Palin is being
sprung on the public at the same time as the bimbo/frat-boy titty
comedy “House Bunny,” which features a poster of a beautiful young lady
with Playmate-style bunny ears, big, stupid eyes and her mouth hanging
open like someone just punched her.
Sarah Palin is the White House bunny — the most nauseating
novelty confection of the evangelical mind-set since Southern “chastity
balls,” wherein teen girls pledge abstinence from premarital sex by
ceremonially faux-marrying their own fathers.
Sarah Palin is the sexual front of the culture war and the
embodiment of the bold social engineering stance of the new
authoritarianism that Republicans have been employing ever since they
stole the election in 2000. As a result of conservative Republican
policies, America has proved itself to be too rife with fraud,
bureaucratic constipation, self-inflicted economic calamity, cronyism
and incompetence to effect any positive movement anywhere at all, even
at home.
But, the Republicans seem to be saying, at least we can offer you the hope of putting women back in their place.
Bristol Palin will no doubt be a fine example as a first teen,
particularly now that her mother is inflicting an old-fashioned shotgun
wedding on the hapless, horny, condomless youth who impregnated her.
The Republicans are, in effect, saying: We’re not going to win
this race on the basis of being the better candidates. Barack Obama is
going to make you think. You don’t like thinking. Here’s an It Girl
vice president who is easy on the eyes, you stodgy old white baby
boomer. She’s like a grown-up version of Mary Ann from “Gilligan’s
Island.” She embodies the raw conviction that everything the
Republicans have ever done has been right. She’ll make you feel better
about yourself for voting for Bush. Twice.
Relax: The war is God’s plan. (Or whatever.) Women, even if
they are vice president, can always look pretty, worship their husbands
in the fear of God and never, ever resist invasions from unwanted
sperm.
Sarah Palin and her virtual burqa have me and my friends
retching into our handbags. She’s such a power-mad, backwater
beauty-pageant casualty, it’s easy to write her off and make fun of
her. But in reality I feel as horrified as a ghetto Jew watching the
rise of National Socialism.
She is dangerous. She is not just pro-life, she’s anti-life.
She is the suppression of human feeling and instinct. She is a slave to
the compromises dictated by her own desire for power and control. Sarah
Palin is untethered from her own needs and those of her family, which
is in crisis, with a pregnant daughter, a son on the way to Iraq and a
special-needs infant.
She should, however, be a galvanizing point for women
everywhere. Not to support her candidacy but to rebel against the
Republican Party and take back the respect and equality so hard-earned
by the women’s liberation movement in the 1970s.
We’ve been shanghaied. This is sick. We need to slap the face
of our bad frat-boy date and walk home from this drive-in movie. Sarah
Palin may put out to be popular, but the rest of America’s women don’t
need to do the same.
If not, what the hell? John McCain should go the whole Hugh
Hefner route and have eight V.P.s that all look exactly like Sarah
Palin.
It’s McCain’s world, girls: You’d just live in it."
Yes... IDEOLOGICAL BRAIN RAPE.
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Post by sage on Sept 12, 2008 12:29:10 GMT -5
First of all, I pity anyone named "Bristol", but this is just BS. I would venture to say that it would not be an overstatement for me to say that a good 4 out of 5 unplanned teen pregnancies I know personally were from fundamentalist Christians, because they believe condoms don't work. Damned half-brains. And now they want to run the country into the ground another four years at least with their happy-clappy breeding irresponsible enviroment-bashing crap. Go Obama. Please God, go Obama.
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Post by pc1965 on Sept 13, 2008 12:14:16 GMT -5
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Post by cnu5000 on Oct 2, 2008 6:09:21 GMT -5
I think sometimes the pro-life sometimes indirectly encourages out-of-wedlock/teen pregnancies because they view the worst thing a woman can do is have an abortion so they are very "nice" to women that have unplanned pregnancies.
My mother and most of the mothers I grew up with would have had a fit if we had gotton pregnant in high school. But most of our mothers would have wanted us to have an abortion. I don't think my mother would have "forced" me to have an abortion. However, she would not have made things easy for me either.
I heard Patricia Heaton who is a member of Feminsts for Life and she says the group does have to walk a fine line between offering support services for young unplanned pregnanancies and indirectly encouraging them.
I think for teeangers it can be a problem that there is no immediate consequence for them. Being simply to young to do something is something many teenagers have a hard time understanding.
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Post by cnu5000 on Oct 2, 2008 6:33:40 GMT -5
I think sometimes the pro-life sometimes indirectly encourages out-of-wedlock/teen pregnancies because they view the worst thing a woman can do is have an abortion so they are very "nice" to women that have unplanned pregnancies.
My mother and most of the mothers I grew up with would have had a fit if we had gotton pregnant in high school. But most of our mothers would have wanted us to have an abortion. I don't think my mother would have "forced" me to have an abortion. However, she would not have made things easy for me either.
I heard Patricia Heaton who is a member of Feminsts for Life and she says the group does have to walk a fine line between offering support services for young unplanned pregnanancies and indirectly encouraging them.
I think for teeangers it can be a problem that there is no immediate consequence for them. Being simply to young to do something is something many teenagers have a hard time understanding.
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