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Post by kiddinla on Apr 21, 2010 20:58:30 GMT -5
While cutting a yard today, i noticed alot of kids in this backyard. I was wondering why they weren't in school. I asked my customer and he said that they have 10 kids who they teach at home.  I think the father is a preacher. I'm not saying it's bad, because i don't actually know any families who have done this. But, it looked very weird watching the kids socialize with each other. I felt that they needed to get to know outsiders, instead of their siblings. When they saw me, they were so glad. It was mostly little girls, and they'd try to flirt with me by sticking out their tongue, waving, etc. I took a snapshot on my way out, but all the kids weren't out at the time. They ran in and out of this sliding door, and had a slide/playset set up like a playground, but it's mostly behind the bush in the picture. I did see two 9 or 10 year old boys come out towards the end of my visit. Maybe their class was done? I didn't want them to see me taking a pic:) > pseudosun.smugmug.com/photos/844140673_HNrP5-X3.jpg ... I don't know what to think. The positives are that they aren't in front of a computer or game system all day, and none are overweight. My customer said they stay in the yard all hours of the day. The negatives are isolation, and just missing out on meeting other children. Do you know how these kids turn out, or do you know of anyone who grew up like this? What was very weird was this tall (taller than me), lanky girl about 12? who was sliding down the slide giggling with all the other kids like they were friends, not siblings. I guess you had to be there, but it did creep me out. |
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Post by danisty on Apr 25, 2010 15:55:10 GMT -5
Religious people aren't the only people who homeschool. I know a few people online who do it and some of the reasons I've heard include harassment and bullying at school, bad teachers, bad quality of education at school, etc. I would have loved to be homeschooled and my parents would have been up for it, but our school district didn't allow it at the time.
I don't think being homeschooled means that children have to be isolated. There are other ways kids can meet each other and other adults.
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Post by preraph on Apr 25, 2010 20:54:33 GMT -5
I don't like homeschooling at all because the ratio of people who do it for the wrong reasons is too high and it takes away any chance a kid has of reporting abuse, neglect or cult activity. Not saying everyone who does it is bad, but I really don't see the point of it. They have to learn to deal socially at some point. Better to work it out now while they have their parents as cushions.
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Post by danisty on Apr 25, 2010 23:54:10 GMT -5
I don't like homeschooling at all because the ratio of people who do it for the wrong reasons is too high and it takes away any chance a kid has of reporting abuse, neglect or cult activity. Not saying everyone who does it is bad, but I really don't see the point of it. They have to learn to deal socially at some point. Better to work it out now while they have their parents as cushions. I think it's pretty valid if you can give your kids a better education than the school (which wouldn't be that hard with schools the way they are these days) and the school is giving you issues. One of my friends pulled her daughter out of school and started homeschooling because the teachers were a problem. I had a lot of problem teachers too. There are other opportunities for parents to let their kids socialize and learn those skills. For some people, school actually makes it worse and keeps children from learning good skills. I've been there. If I had better situations to interact with people I would be better off today. I agree with you that a lot of people who use it use it for the wrong reasons, but to be honest, I think those kids don't have a much better chance in public school.  Their parents are still their biggest influence and these sort of people have a way of making things happen the way they want anyway. |
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Apr 26, 2010 4:46:48 GMT -5
School was a terrible experience for me, but even so, I still disagree with homeschooling for all the reasons preraph mentioned. I don't think it's healthy for children to be so sheltered from the real world.
The U.S. educational system needs a major overhaul in the way they do things, but homeschooling isn't the answer.
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Post by danisty on Apr 26, 2010 5:03:48 GMT -5
School was a terrible experience for me, but even so, I still disagree with homeschooling for all the reasons preraph mentioned. I don't think it's healthy for children to be so sheltered from the real world. The U.S. educational system needs a major overhaul in the way they do things, but homeschooling isn't the answer. I don't think being homeschooled necessarily means you're sheltered from the world. I know homeschooled kids who have far more experiences than public school kids. Homeschooled kids don't have to follow the same schedule as other school kids allowing them to have more outside hobbies and interests that might require traveling, etc. |
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Apr 26, 2010 14:59:59 GMT -5
School was a terrible experience for me, but even so, I still disagree with homeschooling for all the reasons preraph mentioned. I don't think it's healthy for children to be so sheltered from the real world. The U.S. educational system needs a major overhaul in the way they do things, but homeschooling isn't the answer. I don't think being homeschooled necessarily means you're sheltered from the world. I know homeschooled kids who have far more experiences than public school kids. Homeschooled kids don't have to follow the same schedule as other school kids allowing them to have more outside hobbies and interests that might require traveling, etc. In SOME cases, this is true, but from what I've seen and heard, it is not the norm--far from it. It also makes no sense to me that a parent who is a high school dropout is considered "qualified" to homeschool but a public school teacher must have four years of college and a year of a credential program in order to teach. They were trying to pass a law here which would have only allowed homeschooling if the parent actually had a teaching credential, but as far as I know it didn't pass. I'm not saying that there aren't special circumstances where homeschooling would be appropriate, but I think these circumstances would be few and far between, and where it is done, it needs to be much more closely monitored than what it currently is. We are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue, because I am not going to be convinced that homeschooling in general is a good thing.  |
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Post by kiddinla on Apr 26, 2010 15:02:26 GMT -5
heh heh, they definitely have outside hobbies; like 8 a.m. to 9 p.m. in the backyard. The father/ preacher asked me how much i'd charge to cut the grass, but i told him that i was on a tight schedule, and i declined. Over a year and a half, i could see that he wasn't interested in a schedule, which is bad for me, my equipment, my scheduling, etc. The grass was up to my knees when he asked me. I'm hoping to catch most of them out there next time and get another picture:)
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Post by preraph on Apr 26, 2010 15:16:49 GMT -5
I think it's pretty arrogant for parents to think they're giving children a better education at home than certified teaching professionals will.
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Post by danisty on Apr 26, 2010 16:02:23 GMT -5
I think it's pretty arrogant for parents to think they're giving children a better education at home than certified teaching professionals will. I think it's pretty naive to think certified teaching professionals know what they're doing. |
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Apr 26, 2010 17:46:37 GMT -5
I think it's pretty arrogant for parents to think they're giving children a better education at home than certified teaching professionals will. I agree. Obviously there is a reason that school teachers must meet certain educational standards and that not just anyone can be considered qualified to teach. |
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Post by cnu5000 on May 3, 2010 15:15:19 GMT -5
I don''t like the idea of home schooling but many parents I know seem to support it in theory-not just religious people. I have hears there are activities that home school children can attend. In Massachusetts the parents have to have show that they are educating their children to the state.
My experiences in school were mixed. However, I would have HATED being taught by my parents and I did not even like them fhelping me with homework and my father taught college..
I still think part of the reason to send children to school is social and to expose them to the world beyond their parents. I think parents have plenty of opportunity to present their views of the world to their children.
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Post by preraph on May 3, 2010 15:36:58 GMT -5
I agree totally. Kids need to be schooled for social reasons, not just because of making friends, as most people seem to assume, but so they are presented with a broader view than just their parents can provide. Parents who do it don't WANT them to learn anything except their own way. Once they get out into the world when they're of age, in many instances they won't be prepared for it and it will be culture shock, and they will likely rebel against their parents at that time if that has been the situation at home. Not saying it always is, but I read a lot of crime and there's a huge proportion of kids being kept isolated for wrong reasons. Certainly not all, but I truly do not see the point of it. I've seen a couple of instances when mothers decided to do it just so they didn't have to get up and take the kid to school.
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Post by happy2bchildfree on May 3, 2010 15:55:23 GMT -5
I would have HATED being taught by my parents and I did not even like them fhelping me with homework and my father taught college.. I don't think I would have paid attention to my parents teaching me like I paid attention to my teachers. Also, my parents had only a high school education so I can't see how they could have possibly been qualified to teach me as well as a degreed professional could. And my parents wouldn't have done me any favors by sheltering me from the world outside the home. As unpleasant as school can be, and academics aside, it serves as a training ground for the real world. One comes into contact with different types of people and ideas in the school environment, learns to deal with authority figures other than parents and learns things like punctuality and following through with doing things. These things are learned outside of school (or at least they should be!), but it is not quite the same as learning them in the school environment. As for homeschooled kids having the opportunities to go places and travel that kids attending school do not have--that simply isn't true. That's what weekends and vacations are for. |
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Post by danisty on May 5, 2010 6:40:16 GMT -5
I'm not going to bother continuing this conversation. It's pretty obvious that nobody is interested in considering anything other than what they already believe.
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Post by happy2bchildfree on May 5, 2010 12:40:41 GMT -5
I'm not going to bother continuing this conversation. It's pretty obvious that nobody is interested in considering anything other than what they already believe. I think that's an excellent idea. No one is going to change anyone else's beliefs, and everyone has the right to have their own opinions and ideas about things. That said, let's agree to disagree and move on. |
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Post by danisty on May 5, 2010 22:42:36 GMT -5
I'm not going to bother continuing this conversation. It's pretty obvious that nobody is interested in considering anything other than what they already believe. I think that's an excellent idea. No one is going to change anyone else's beliefs, and everyone has the right to have their own opinions and ideas about things. That said, let's agree to disagree and move on. Works for me. |
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Post by THBC on May 10, 2010 18:32:55 GMT -5
I am probably late with this but I I want to give my 2 cents I support homeschooling. If I had it to do all over again, I would have wanted to be homeschooled. The reasons for homeschooling are varied, and (as most of you have said) they are not always religious. Homeschooled children can/will socialize in other ways besides school. (IE: When they go out places, homeschool leagues/sports, friends of their families, neighbors, anywhere really.) Their education also tends to be more individualized to help them succeed vs the school setting where there are a number of different children with different educational abilities. I do not oppose those who do not support homeschooling. I did not see many other supporters for homeschooling so I wanted to share my views. But, I can agree to disagree. This is another one of the million reasons why I am Childfree...I strongly support homeschooling but what if my husband did not..? Added stressor...lol I'm not going to bother continuing this conversation. It's pretty obvious that nobody is interested in considering anything other than what they already believe. |
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Post by cnu5000 on May 12, 2010 6:10:15 GMT -5
I was just listening to NPR where there were two children who were home schooled and one some kind of award for designing robots so I guess home school children can do well but it would not have been for me.
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Post by lotus on May 16, 2010 23:29:35 GMT -5
I think home schooling can work if the parents are educated enough to give the children what they need to function the world. Once the parents have the basics covered there are outside sources they can go to for extra curricular activities.
As far as having ten kids to home school, those parents have their work cut out for them and I wonder how they manage to cope. It sends my head spinning.
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I think the father is a preacher. 
Their parents are still their biggest influence and these sort of people have a way of making things happen the way they want anyway.
