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Post by tinroofer on Jul 27, 2008 9:49:02 GMT -5
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Post by kentuckykimmie on Jul 27, 2008 10:30:54 GMT -5
That article was superb and only made better because the man has children, so no one can say, "He would feel differently if he had children". He is precisely correct in that parents have built their own perpetual kindergaten and that they are now imprisoned in it. I also completely agree with how these doted on kids seem to think that the rest of society cares about what they think, like their parents pretended to care. The part about high schoolers and young college kids exuding this knowledge and vast wisdom and think nothing of correcting or criticizing their elders struck me as quite true as well.
If trends don't change, this "Kindergarchy" will be the death of this country, IMO. I think The United States is the worst country as far as placing precious children ahead of everything and everybody else, no matter what the cost.
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Post by ruth59 on Jul 27, 2008 16:25:39 GMT -5
This raises a question: Can you think offhand of where you have seen evidence of this mindset? It seems to me that today's young people want what they want, and give no thought or care to who is directly affected by their actions. Here's a small example: Years ago I used to deliver pizza for Domino's. One evening I got to an apartment, and no one seemed to know who had placed an order. Then when the customer finally surfaced, he had no idea how he was going to pay for said pizza. He had a checkbook, but didn't bother to ask if checks were okay when he placed the order.
Another time a couple of years later I was going straight through an intersection, when a young man turned in front of me. He SAW me, and still went, because hey, he needed to turn, and to hell with right of way!
I believe these behaviours are a result of being raised to believe their sh*t doesn't stink and the world revolves around them. Or is it just like this in every generation of twenty somethings? I somehow doubt it. I don't remember ever thinking the world owed me a thing.
Discuss.
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Post by kentuckykimmie on Jul 28, 2008 17:37:59 GMT -5
I'll be more than happy to discuss it as I have a "quiver full" of examples! One thing I don't care for is this familiarity which I don't consider age appropriate that teens who I barely know or don't know at all often take with me, like bag boys, cashiers, delivery guys, etc....I hate when they see my name on my check and then take it upon themselves to call me Kim, rather than Mrs. Crowe. I also don't like it when they try and make the customer to employee relationship some kind of a friendship, like the college kid who works at Blockbuster. He knows my name, since it's on my card, and he takes it upon himself to call me Kim as well. Then he strikes up conversations, or tries to, which I think are inappropriate for his age, in relation to mine, and which I consider personal. Nothing special, but prying things like where do I work, I sure have come in a lot lately and rented movies so I must not get much sleep, or noticing I have a new vehicle and wanting to know what I paid for it or where I bought it, etc..... I also don't like it when people half my age try to impress me with their vast knowledge, such as a 20 year old telling ME the "correct" way to do something like fill out a tax form or take a deduction. I was filling out an updated form (name change) at a breakroom table once, while alone, and this girlhappened to walk in on me and assumed it was something it wasn't and started giving me advice on how to claim my deductions and it really pissed me off. 1) what I am doing is none of her business. 2) I have probably filled out more tax forms than years she has been alive 3) How could she possibly know what deductions I should take and 4)Who asked HER for her opinion? So, I turned the paper over so she couldn't see it, and just stared at her in silence, glared would be a better description, and waited on her to finish and then I said with as much sarcasm as I could muster, "Thanks so much for your astute advice". Then she says, "Sooooorrryyyyyyyy", and huffed off. Then there are those who want to share their vast life experiences and they are maybe, 19,20, about marriage or what is the best way to decorate your home, for instance. This generally happens when they horn in on a conversation that I am having with someone in my own age group on any given topic. They have NEVER lived away from mom and dad, so I don't know what makes them think they have anything to offer or advice to give on either subject, so I guess they think they are experts because they saw it on a soap opera or perhaps a reality TV show. When they do this, I always just clam up and let them talk, and all the while I am thinking; "What a rude, selfish, little know it all idiot". Those are the first three examples that popped into my head.
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Jul 28, 2008 18:02:54 GMT -5
My personal favorite are the teens and early 20s who think they know everything there is to know about everything in life, and have the attitude that I couldn't possibly have as much life experience as they do.
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Post by pc1965 on Jul 28, 2008 21:47:31 GMT -5
This raises a question: Can you think offhand of where you have seen evidence of this mindset? It seems to me that today's young people want what they want, and give no thought or care to who is directly affected by their actions. Here's a small example: Years ago I used to deliver pizza for Domino's. One evening I got to an apartment, and no one seemed to know who had placed an order. Then when the customer finally surfaced, he had no idea how he was going to pay for said pizza. He had a checkbook, but didn't bother to ask if checks were okay when he placed the order. Another time a couple of years later I was going straight through an intersection, when a young man turned in front of me. He SAW me, and still went, because hey, he needed to turn, and to hell with right of way! I believe these behaviours are a result of being raised to believe their sh*t doesn't stink and the world revolves around them. Or is it just like this in every generation of twenty somethings? I somehow doubt it. I don't remember ever thinking the world owed me a thing. Discuss. Well, I've always been on the pedantic side myself, so I wouldn't notice a person younger than me showing off his or her knowledge. I agree that too many people call me by my first name instead of Ms. Moreau, but I still hate the dreadful "ma'am" at any age. My DH really has a big issue as well with the neighborhood kids calling him by his first name.
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Post by preraph on Jul 28, 2008 23:06:13 GMT -5
I get revenge on all the little b*stards by calling THEM sir or ma'am at the checkout register or wherever. I beat them to it!
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Jul 28, 2008 23:32:06 GMT -5
I don't mind being addressed as "ma'am". There are a lot worse ways I could be addressed. What I don't like is being addressed as Mrs. M. It just sounds so matronly and old. I like to be addressed by my first name by everyone, regardless of their age.
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Post by athena on Aug 8, 2008 16:38:34 GMT -5
"Then he strikes up conversations, or tries to, which I think are inappropriate for his age, in relation to mine, and which I consider personal. Nothing special, but prying things like where do I work, I sure have come in a lot lately and rented movies so I must not get much sleep, or noticing I have a new vehicle and wanting to know what I paid for it or where I bought it, etc....." UH that pisses me off at ANY age. I have a colleague (with 3 kiddos) she is 2 years older than me and thinks it is her god given right to comment on if my hair looks great pester me about when am I having kids, did I eat lunch today (or work through) (NO, I DON'T want to spend my lunchbreak with you BITCH!! But she's friends with the boss so I can't say that!) try to tell me I should buy a house like so and so NOT spend money on trouble - honey I plan to do BOTH, ask how much I get paid!! and so on. And another colleague will ask if my husband is working at the moment (he's self employed Mother of three colleague said to this colleague when looking at our class photo (teachers and assistants) "You look so FAT." Is she rude or WHAT
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Post by athena on Aug 8, 2008 17:27:24 GMT -5
EXCELLENT article by the way!!!
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Aug 8, 2008 18:37:23 GMT -5
"Then he strikes up conversations, or tries to, which I think are inappropriate for his age, in relation to mine, and which I consider personal. Nothing special, but prying things like where do I work, I sure have come in a lot lately and rented movies so I must not get much sleep, or noticing I have a new vehicle and wanting to know what I paid for it or where I bought it, etc....." UH that pisses me off at ANY age. Same here. That sort of thing is just plain rude and intrusive. Age has nothing to do with it.
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Post by ruth59 on Aug 20, 2008 17:53:31 GMT -5
I HATE when young clerks or bank tellers address me by my first name. As far as they are concerned, my first name is Mrs. Beyond that, I have no problem being addressed as Ma'am, as I am nearing 50, and many of the individuals I deal with are less than half my age. To me it's a sign of respect.
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Post by midoria on Aug 21, 2008 11:39:24 GMT -5
I always correct people when they try and call by my first name when I'm the customer or patron. It's rude to call someone by their first name in those situations!!!
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Post by noregrets78 on Aug 21, 2008 13:06:22 GMT -5
I'm no spring chicken, but getting upset when someone calls you by your first name?
I can't agree with that. I understand your position and respect your choice...but I'd rather be called by my first name than have someone call me Mister whatever. Just makes me feel a bit elitist, and that's definitely not my personality. I am no better than the person addressing me so why can't they use my first name?
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Aug 21, 2008 13:13:47 GMT -5
I'm no spring chicken, but getting upset when someone calls you by your first name? I can't agree with that. I understand your position and respect your choice...but I'd rather be called by my first name than have someone call me Mister whatever. Just makes me feel a bit elitist, and that's definitely not my personality. I am no better than the person addressing me so why can't they use my first name? ITA! My feelings exactly.
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Post by mar on Aug 21, 2008 14:09:43 GMT -5
I'd rather be called by my first name as well. When I'm called Mrs._____ I visualize my late MIL standing next to me. Besides our first names were given to us to be used IMO.
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Aug 21, 2008 14:55:01 GMT -5
On the rare occasion anyone addresses me as Mrs. M, it almost always goes right over my head and I don't respond. It takes awhile for me to realize that they are addressing ME. LOL!
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Post by midoria on Aug 21, 2008 15:17:10 GMT -5
I'm no spring chicken, but getting upset when someone calls you by your first name? Just makes me feel a bit elitist, and that's definitely not my personality. I am no better than the person addressing me so why can't they use my first name? It's totally about respect. If I'm in a professional setting (with people who are not my usual co-workers) or dealing with something that is business oriented I use surnames only and expect the same. When I deal with the members of the organization I work for, I always call them by their titles until/unless they give me permission (or request for me) to call them by their first names. I think it just makes a better impression overall. It has nothing to do with one's station in life. What would you think about a hotel if you checked out and they said "How was your night, Joe?" or your credit card company called you and said "Hi, Joe. We see you haven't paid us in two months?". To me, that's too familiar and unprofessional.
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Post by preraph on Aug 21, 2008 16:36:52 GMT -5
I'm not a stickler about it at all, but in certain situations I appreciate salutory respect. For example in the office environment, say you are the boss's secretary. Well, chances are, when it's just the two of you, you're on a first name basis, but when he has a client in the office, it is beneficial to the boss to be addressed respectfully as Mr. _____.
Likewise, it is a good policy at a little more upscale restaurant if servers call you Ms. ____, because they don't know who your lunch partner is, so best to err on the formal side. I have one server who tries to hog me, even though technically I don't like her service THAT well and have other favorites, but she does call me Ms. when I enter the restaurant, and I'd like that in certain situations - as compared to the server I have requested management keep away from me because he actually sat down with me and friends one time and began telling my friend, who I only got to see once a year for a precious two hours, in Spanish, how I should have a Mexican boyfriend (meaning him). That ship did not sail, because I was mad at him for taking up my only time with my friend without even being invited. I DO sometimes invite a server to talk or even sit, but that is certainly not their prerogative. So okay, I'm a little southern.
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Post by happy2bchildfree on Aug 21, 2008 17:53:12 GMT -5
I can see the point of using titles in certain business situations. It's the usage based purely on age that I object to.
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